Sorts offensifs au corps à corps

Hier en jouant avec Raph on s'est posé une question. Peut-on lancer un sort offensif dans un corps à corps lorsque l'on est soit-même engagé dans ce corps à corps?

Et question subsidiaire si on rate le jet pour toucher peut-on se toucher soit-même?

A première vue on a rien vu l'interdisant on l'a autorisé mais je me demande quand même si c'est bon.

On peut lancer un sort offensif dans un corps même si on est soi-même engagé dans ce corps à corps. Pour le rebond en cas d'échec je dois relire

Ce n'est pas une attaque de tir donc pas de "rebond" dans le cac.

Je suis pas d'accord

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Targeting.a.Model.in.MeleeA model making a ranged or magic attack roll against a target in melee risks hitting another model participating in the combat, including friendly models. A model in melee gains +4 DEF against non-spray ranged and magic attacks. If a non-AOE, non-spray attack misses its intended target and the target was in range, the attack might hit another combatant. If the target was not in range, the attack misses automatically and cannot hit another combatant. If a magic or ranged AOE attack misses a target in melee, it deviates normally instead of following these rules (see “Area-of-Effect [AOE] Attacks,” p. 52). Spray attack rolls that miss a model in melee do not follow these rules; they simply miss (see “Spray Attacks,” p. 54). Ignore the target-in-melee DEF bonus when the point of origin (p. 40) of the ranged or magic attack is in melee with the model the attack roll is being made against.If the target was in range, the attacker must then reroll its attack against another model in that combat and in the attacker’s line of sight, ignoring intervening models. If the new target is out of the attack’s range, it misses normally. When determining the attack’s new target, the only models considered to be in the same combat are those that are in melee with the attack’s original target and any models that are in melee with them. Any model meeting these criteria can become the new target. If multiple models in the combat are eligible targets, randomly determine which model becomes the new target (excluding the original target).If the attack against the new target misses, it misses completely without targeting any more models.

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Targeting a model in melee with a magic attack works the same way as targeting a model in melee with a ranged attack (p. 51). However, when a magic attack targeting a model in melee misses, ignore its targeting restrictions when determining which model in the combat might be hit instead. If the new target is invalid for the spell, the spell has no further effect. EXAMPLE: Gorten Grundback attempts to cast Molten Metal on a Protectorate Repenter warjack in melee with one of his Wroughthammer Rockram warjacks, which is itself in melee with two Temple Flameguard troopers. Thus, there are four models in the combat. If he misses the Repenter, he will have to determine if one of the other three models might be hit by the spell instead. If the spell hits one of the trooper models, the spell will have no effect because Molten Metal can target only warjacks.MAGIC.ATTACK.ROLL..MODIFIERSThe most common modifiers affecting a model’s magic attack roll are summarized here for easy reference. Where necessary, additional detail can be found on the pages listed.• Back Strike (p. 42): A back strike gains +2 to the attack roll.• Cloud Effect (p. 60): A model inside a cloud effect gains concealment.• Concealment (p. 50): A model with concealment in relation to its attacker gains +2 DEF against ranged and magic attacks. Huge-based models never gain the DEF bonus from concealment. Concealment and cover are not cumulative.• Cover (p. 50): A model with cover in relation to its attacker gains +4 DEF against ranged and magic attacks. Huge-based models never gain the DEF bonus from cover. Concealment and cover are not cumulative.• Elevation Bonus (p. 78): A non-huge-based elevated model gains +2 DEF against ranged and magic attack rolls made by models on lower elevations. Huge-based models never gain the DEF bonus from elevation.• Knocked Down Target (p. 61): While knocked down, a model has its base DEF reduced to 5.• Stationary Target (p. 61): While stationary, a model has its base DEF reduced to 5.•

En gros de ce que je comprends, lorsque tu es au corps à corps et que tu lances un sort sur une cible en mêlée avec toi, elle n'a pas le +4 Def (ça j'en étais sûr avant ta question)

Ensuite si tu rates quand même, je vois rien qui empêche que ça dévie sur toi (tu es en mêlée avec la cible). Par contre un sort offensif ne peut jamais être utilisé pour se cibler soi-même, donc si ça dévie sur toi le sort ne fait pas effet (comme un sort qui affecte les warjack et qui dévie sur un piéton dans l'exemple)